Problems with re-submitting

Have I written about re-submission of e-forms earlier? I think I did, but I was quite optimistic. A few weeks back, I submitted a form 1A (to register the name of a new company which we are incorporating). However, it was rejected because a non-compulsory field was not filled up (if it is actually compulsory why they don't mark it as compulsory? I don't know).

At first, I tried re-submitting but the status of my SRN was "to be clarified" thus I couldn't re-submit. I contact the support of the MCA website and they quickly and efficiently changed my status.

Then, again I tried re-submitting. After downloading the latest e-form, filling it up (which in this case does not need digital signature), pre-scrutinizing it and trying to upload it, I was told: that I needed the latest version of the e-form. I thought: "this must be a small programming mistake which will be corrected in a few days time". So, I waited. After a few days, I tried again, but didn't work. So, I again sent an e-mail to same highly efficient people that had helped earlier... this time I wasn't so lucky. They didn't reply.

I decided to try again uploading after a few days... nothing. I wrote again to the support people, and no reply. Finally, the time for re-submitting is due. I have been sent an e-mail telling me that, if I want to submit the form again, I will have to do it afresh (i.e. paying the fee again). I've written to the support team complaining about this, but I only get silence... this is really quite disappointing!

I guess I could try fighting for this out, but perhaps the most efficient and less costly way of getting my things done is simply to spend again the Rs. 500 for submitting the form and forget about the issue (hopefully this time it will work fine). Perhaps I shouldn't forget so easily about this and claim my rights... but unfortunately I don't think I have the time, nor the patience to do so.

Re-submitting an eForm

In the latest form I submitted I've been asked to clarify certain points. Now what do I do?

This happened to me this week after submitting Form 1A the other day. Few days after submitting I checked the "Transaction status" and found out that it was "Waiting for Clarification". As far as I had read, it was required to re-submit the form. However, when I tried doing it, the system didn't allow me.

I contacted via e-mail the MCA people and they replied very quickly and to the point after one or two days. Now they had changed my status and I could re-submit the form.

Today, while trying to do so it took me a while to find out how to do it, but finally got it: in the home landing page there are three tabs below the main horizontal menu which say: Services, eForms and MyDocuments. My mistake was to think everything I could do in the site was under the tab services. For re-submit you have to go to "eForms", where you will find a button "eForm Upload". There, if you enter the SRN (Service Request Number) and click the Re-Submit button you will get a Java app window through which you will be able to upload.

Again, make sure you have downloaded and filled up a fresh Form 1A before you re-submit, otherwise, the system will reject you automatically.

e-Filing: Submitting forms at Ministry of Company Affairs

Submitting a form has always scared me as something being a waste of time: filling up a form without knowing for sure what to write, standing on a queue for a long time, getting a challan and go to pay it at another place, go back with the receipt and get the acknowledgment, etc. Or get a middle man who would do this for you and twenty other people at a much quicker pace but opening a wide space for illegalities and corruption which ultimately harm the whole system.

Thank God, the Ministry of Company Affairs decided to do away with all that not very long ago. Now-a-days, you can only submit forms through their e-Filing system at www.mca.gov.in. From there you can do everything, from downloading the pdf form to paying the fees and getting your approval or whatever you are trying to get.

Today I submitted my application for a new company which I’m opening with my friend.

First, you need to register in the site. At least, for submitting Form 1A it is enough to register as a “Registered User” (the other option is “Business User”).

Once you are inside, do read the steps for filing forms. An interesting warning they give there is that you should download the latest form every time you want to submit a form as they change often (in my case I had filled up an old Form 1A I had saved from last year, and had to do it again in a newly downloaded form).

You will see it is quite a simple procedure: download the form, fill it up, pre-scrutinize it (correct any errors you may get), add your digital signature to the form, submit it… all of this through a Java applet (get ready to wait for few seconds/minutes while the whole thing is uploaded). Then, you will be re-directed to the payment get-way which may be through net banking (there are only a few options of banks), credit card or printing a challan and paying at the bank physically (I guess this is in case you want to remain in the old good times).

After you have paid you will get a confirmation message, but which disappears in almost no time. Thus, just in case, check the payment status. If it says PAID, then great, otherwise you will have to use the re-submission facility (you should have taken note of your SRN) and pay again.

All of this is, of course, for Form 1A, where you don’t need the signature of a Company Secretary or Chartered Accountant. Later on, for other forms you will need it and most probably they will do the for you.

By the way, as a correction to my previous post a name through Form 1A is now only for 60 days, instead of 6 months as it used to be earlier. For renewing you have to pay Rs.250 in case you haven’t incorporated your company yet.

You name it: book a name for your company

If you have not read the summary of steps in my November post you can see them here. The third step in that list is to apply to the Registrar of Companies (ROC) for a name for your company.

To avoid any kind of legal confusion, there cannot be two companies with the same name in the country. As a matter of fact, if you wanted to borrow a name from a foreign company you would need to get a NOC (non-objection certificate) from them allowing you to register your company with that name in India.

To apply for a name, and book it temporarily for 6 months (if you have not incorporated your company by then, you will need to apply again) you need to fill up and submit the Form 1A. This is a simple form where no much information is required… the only really relevant information are two things:

First, the DIN (Director Identification Number) of the directors (minimum two) for the proposed company (you can read about this in my previous post)

Second, the proposed names: you will have to give a few options (in case they reject the first one or two) and generally you will have to make it a little longer than a one-word name. For instance, instead of being just “Compusoftex” (just a single name), you would have to call it “Compusoftex solutions” or “Compusoftex networks”, or even longer “Compusoftex networks and solutions”… The idea is that you have to give more than one option and usually you would like to keep the name you have come up with plus adding other words which describe your activity.

While submitting this you will have to pay a fee of Rs.500 and you will get a reply to it after a week or two. Before submitting the form, to make almost sure they want reject it (at least not in the basis of availability) you should check whether the name is available. You can do that at the MCA (Ministry of Company Affairs) web-site: go to “Other Services” on the left-hand-side menu and click on “Check Company Name”. The tool does not work perfectly well, but it is useful: if there is a company which matches the name you have entered, you will get a list; but if there is no company with such name or similar you will not get any result at all, not even a message telling you so.

Legal: Digital Signature/Certificate

Going back on how to set up a Private Limited company... The first step is to get a digital signature or also called digital certificate.

Not knowing exactly what a digital signature was, before starting to research on it, I got a quite amusing reply from a friend. He told me is just to scan your written signature, save it as a jpeg or gif (an image format) edit it for clarity and finally paste it to whichever document or email you are about to submit. It would have been difficult to be much farther from reality!

The digital signature is a system by which the party receiving your document will be certain that you are the one signing. This is done through a third party who will certify you are the one doing so. Of course, the third party must be a certified company which is well known and reliable to everybody. Some companies offering this are, for instance, TATA or MTNL.

The full process is not too difficult to understand, and you can see it here. I'm sorry, but I can't find a great graphic display which MTNL had in their web-site which would make it easier. However, in few words, when you attach your digital signature to a document and submit it (for instance, the e-forms submitted to ROC), a file is sent to MTNL, which receives it, decodes it and sends another file to ROC telling them, hey, this guy is in deed whom he says to be or at least he has in his computer the key I have given him to tell is himself.

There are several types of Digital Signature (or certificates) and I remember I was rather confused to which I should get. If you are an individual and need to sign the e-forms as the Managing Director of your company (which is what you need for a Pvt. Ltd), then you want a Class 2 Individual Certificate. According to the MTNL site cost for this certificate is Rs.600 for 2 years. Sincerely, I don't know how difficult is to do it on your own because I was short of time at the moment I did it and gave it to the CS (Company Secretary) to do it for me. In that case, the bill came to Rs.1,600 or so.

MTNL seems to be the best option for Digital Certificate because is easier to get it and is less costly than other options, but you may always compare with other companies.

The beginning of the venture

I graduated from Electronics Engineering in Mumbai University on June 2006. One year earlier, I had decided not to go for the placements offered at Campus in my College (CRCE), because sincerely, I thought I was not interested on the kind of jobs they were offering (basically, they were just about coding for big companies in which you become one more in the crowd of Engineers).

Admittedly, later on I went for the placement process of a couple of companies which came late for placements, but mainly so as to know what it all was about. I was called in for a couple of interviews and from the beginning I had to tell them I was not really interested in the job; then had good fun talking for a while to the recruiting people and answering their questions... after that, goodbye.

Few months after I left College (which I mainly spent studying and working with an NGO), I received an e-mail from Luis, a friend in Spain whom I met in 2003 when I went to Madrid for a studies trip. He was interested in opening a branch of his company in India (he had no clue about which city or anything of the sort) and had thought of me... after a long series of contacts he managed to get hold of my e-mail id and write me. Being an entrepreneur has been attractive to me since I was a child.

After a one-month trip in January 2007 to Madrid to know his company (which came up to be much smaller than I had thought, but growing a lot), I came back to Bombay ready to put up a team of developers to give technical support to Luis' company, which is specialized in the e-learning sector and has a leading LMS (Learning Management System) in Spain used by many of the largest corporations over there.

The target was that, by 2008 we would have a development office in India with about 30 full-time developers, plus some 70 people working as freelancers for us...

My first post

This is my first post to my new blog. It is also the first time I'm writing for a blog and I hope it will be interesting and mainly, useful, for many people.

I'll be writing about my experiences as a young-entrepreneur in Mumbai, setting up a company in partnership with a friend from abroad, loosing a lot, gaining a lot, becoming independent... a great experience which I hope will help many other people to take courage and start their own ventures; I'm sure this (starting a new company) will help them and ultimately help society a lot; of course, not without difficulties. But well... I'll talk about this later.

My plan is to upload short articles at least twice a week, so, if you are reading this, do visit this link again in the next few days for my first article.